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Sunday, February 20, 2005

JD Guckert and Powerline

Normally, this is a MN politics-only blog. I am just as interested in national politics as the next guy, but with blogs like Eschaton, Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo and all the rest (I know that most of you are smart enough to read my blogroll), anything I say would be redundant. So I stick to local stuff, and I let them eloquently deal with national issues.

I still pay attention to the bigger stuff, and so when I saw this post over at Tbogg about the Powerline blog's response to the Jeff Gannon/JD Guckert affair (for those who don't know what's up, long story short: Republican homosexual male 'escort' is journalist under a fake name and lobs softball questions to White House press secretary), I sent a note. These guys are from Minnesota, so why not? This is what I sent:
Your recent post on the JD Guckert/Jeff Gannon story has to be one of the saddest examples of conservative head-in-sand syndrome I have ever seen. You claim that there are three issues being brought up by liberals: 1) He isn't a "real" journalist, 2) He was a Bush administration plant, and 3) He had something (“God knows what) €“to do with the Valerie Plame story. Of course, you blatantly ignore the most important issue, the one that is easily found on hundreds of blogs covering the story: how did a person using a fake name get access to the White House? If I applied for a pass to the White House using the name "Max Power", I would not get in unless I had some friends high up at the top. A closely-related issue is exactly what the links are between GOPUSA and Talon News. Now, you may think it perfectly acceptable for the President and press secretary to consistently call on a reporter who is working for what is essentially an arm of the Republican Party. If so, it would be nice if you would admit it. That doesn't mean that others aren't allowed to have a problem with that arrangement, however.

You also take Americablog to task for "finding nude photos of Gannon and posting them online." He didn't "find" photos taken by some paparazzi at a secret party; he found websites where Guckert (let's use his real name, not his pretend name) posted his own photos. If you posted photos of your family on your web page and I posted a link to these photos, would that make me a low-life "outing" you? Come on. Guckert is not ashamed of these photos, otherwise he would not have put them on the web in the first place. If somebody else finds them and points them out to the world, they are doing nothing wrong.

Just one, just once, it would be nice to see a conservative with the ability to find fault with other conservatives. I won't hold my breath, though.
Not too harsh, and fairly civil IMHO. No profanity, no name calling, just my opinion from one person to another.

The reply? Well, for good or ill:
You dumb shit, he didn't get access using a fake name, he used his real name. You lefties' concern for White House security is really touching, but you know what, you stupid asshole, I think the Secret Service has it covered. Go crawl back into your hole, you stupid left-wing shithead. And don't bother us anymore. You have to have an IQ over 50 to correspond with us. You don't qualify, you stupid shit.
I must admit I was just a bit taken aback. It's not terribly unusual for people to simply refuse to address the issues, but the virulence and profanity was simply amazing to me. This is how writers from Time magazine's Blog of the Year respond to e-mail? I haven't read monkey mail like that since people sounded off to Margaret Cho. Cripes. Whatever happened to Minnesota Nice?

277 Comments:

At 4:46 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might be fun just to shoot that off to the MN Bar, to see how they feel about it. I doubt it's cause for a disbarment, but it would be fun to start file on Hinderocket.

 
At 5:55 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Robb said...

They're just eletist scum anyway. They've got themselves hopped on their own self importance touted in the Republican echo chamber. You really should send their note onto the Minn. Bar.

 
At 5:57 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Michael Ditto said...

Push a button much? Maybe the panic button?

Maybe he'll use the gay panic defense!

 
At 6:03 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you tell which of them wrote this reply?

 
At 6:08 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

man, they're really losing it. protest too much, much?

 
At 6:09 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Phoenix Woman said...

Let's Have Some Accountability HereMinnesota Politics Guru is by no means the only person that "Hindrocket" has viciously and unfairly attacked recently. He also called Jimmy Carter -- yes, THAT Jimmy Carter -- a traitor last week on his blog.

Call John H. "Hindrocket" Hinderaker at (612)766-8430 and demand that he apologize, in print and on his blog, to James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, a distinguished veteran and former president, as well as to the proprietor of this fine Minnesota weblog.

And yes, this is fair, since Hinderaker posts his daytime phone number -- which also happens to be for his Faegre&Benson law firm office -- on his blog.

In fact, it might be nice to make sure that some of F&B's upper echelon -- as well as their clients -- know about this, too.

 
At 6:11 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Talk about completely ignoring very well reasoned arguments and engaging in pure ad hominem attack . . . .

This guy Hindrocket is really a sick piece of work.

It's sad that because he has a law degree, is a successful lawyer, and makes some good bread, he' probably treated as a sane and healthy member of society.

The guy is truly fucked in the head. And he is a bane upon society.

Yeah, I'd make the Minnisota Bar fully aware of this guy's virulent arrogance.

I'd file a formal complaint.

Also, if you really wanted to make trouble for him, I'd see what local associations of lawyers he belongs to (like the St. Paul Bar Association) and let them know about it.

I doubt the guy will get formal discipline for being a pure asshole. But the more people know about it, the more it will reflect badly upon his professional and personal reputation within the local legal community.

 
At 6:12 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous preznit giv me turkee said...

good thing you didn't mention the fact that JimmyDaleJeffy paid to have these photos on a commercial site that quite possibly encouraged violation of D.C. Law and the UCMJ. no telling what they may have said about you then

 
At 6:14 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Impressive rebuttal!

 
At 6:20 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't this blog also associated with the Rathergate bruhaha.

Now, that it looks like Gannon may have had a role in that, and that questions are now being raised about whether this was an orchestrated effort to trap Rather from the get go, I wouldn't be surprised if what your are getting from this Hindrocket charater is a beligerent defensiveness born of guilt and fear.

It is possible that these bastards were ALL in on a plot to get Rather and to innoculate Bush with the phony documents leaked to CBS. Possibly, the exposure of Gannon has the potential to expose Hindrocket for unethical wrongdoing as well.

Now, wouldn't that be a story? What if Hindrocket was part of a Rovian plot to set up Rather and CBS using fraudulent documents?

Now, that would not only bring great opprobrium upon him within his legal community, but it could even lead to disciplinary action.

Again, I think that what you might be getting from this sick puppy is a defensiveness born of guilt and fear of exposure.

 
At 6:24 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Phoenix Woman said...

Oh, and of course Hinderaker is lying about the name business. Either that, or Ari Fleischer -- the guy who was the Bush White House press secretary when James "Jeff Gannon" Guckert first started showing up at WH presscons -- is lying.

Why? Because Ari's on record as saying that he had no idea that "Jeff Gannon" was a pseudonym.So which is it, John Hinderaker? Are you the liar, or is it Ari Fleischer? Your move.

 
At 6:26 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger konopelli/WGG said...

You could, one supposes, send copies of your correspondence to Time's executive editors. I would also send copies to all the other partners in Hindrocket's firm, with a note about how his personal animus reflects so badly on their judgment. Even if it was a lower-order drone in the firm who answered the e-mail, he was doing so in Hindrockets stead...

 
At 6:28 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Phoenix Woman said...

Isn't this blog also associated with the Rathergate bruhaha.A-yep. They and LGF are duking it out over who got the "credit" for it. The evidence favors LGF, but since the LGF blog is even more openly racist -- and far less "polite" about it (that is, their posters and readers often forget to speak in the Approved Republicode used to make people think they're not really racists) -- most of the mainstream press (the WP being the main exception) try to avoid acknowledging their existence, and prefer instead to award the Memogate "honors" to Hinderaker's PowerlineBlog.

 
At 6:29 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous querido bobo said...

He's a vicious asshole AND a commercial litigation partner? Isn't that, like, completely redundant?

 
At 6:31 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Fomer Mpls wage bitch said...

Hindrocket, IIRC, is a product of the '80s Dartmouth conservative movement. These folks got their jollies by outing gays on campus and mocking just about anything that was perceived as conservatively incorrect.

In other words they were assholes. It looks like he hasn't grown up much in 20 odd years.

As far as the suggestion about reporting him to the MN Bar Assoc., a few years ago I was the assistant to a prominent Mpls business person and attorney who served on the review board. Short of criminal behavior, the panel always closed ranks and politely told petitioners to go f*** themselves. (I know. I printed the letters for this person.) An attorney from a firm like F&B would have to be caught on videotape, a la R Kelly, before anything would happen.

I suggest you forward crotchrocket's email to the Strib. Bad PR is more damaging than anything else.

 
At 6:33 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ad hominem attack - seems to be a favorite of right wing bloggers. I got pilloried recently by a rightwing Lebanese blogger who uses the same sort of rhetoric. I don't think he called me anything with the word "shit" in it, to his credit.

What happened to old fashioned conservatives, the kind who were gentlemen? Gone the way of the dodo, I suppose. I miss real conservatives, frankly. THese immature mouth-frothing frat boys seem very .... impotent is the word I want to use. Maybe the swearing is inverse proportion to their actual courage. I'll bet they're the kind of guys who don't hold open doors for women and never give up their seats in the waiting room for pregnant moms.
Oh yeah - no blogger account - I'm Leila at Dove's Eye View
http://bedouina.typepad.com

 
At 6:38 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Mithras said...

I would agree that complaining to the bar is not such a good idea, both because it seems petty and because (as far as I can tell) you're not sure which of the three wrote it.

I also think publicity is the best disinfectant for that kind of stuff.

-Mithras

 
At 6:39 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh well done. Did you have permission to publish a private email?

 
At 6:44 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might be a good idea to let some of his clients know what he's been up to when he's not billing them $500 an hour (or whatever). They are listed on his page on the law firm web site.

 
At 6:45 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Jvstin said...

Anonymous said...

Oh well done. Did you have permission to publish a private email?
You should know, better, anonymous that anything out there on the Internet is out there for will or nill.

And you think that the Powerline boys would hesitate to do the same? You know they would, and gleefully so.

 
At 6:46 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the thing to focus on is they Powerline claims the liberals are the ones full of hate.

When all they do is lash out with hate regularly. This is a perfect example.

 
At 6:47 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Alex said...

Well, I just wrote Mr. Hindrocket an even more note. We'll see how he responds... though I included a link to my decidedly impolite blog, which may kill my chances of a civil discussion.

 
At 6:56 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Phoenix Woman said...

Oh well done. Did you have permission to publish a private email?Read the front page of the Minnesota Politics blog, Mr. Hinderaker. It states quite clearly that MN Politics Guru reserves the right to publish e-mails sent to him. (Hey, if Daniel Okrent can do it, why can't the Guru?)

 
At 7:09 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Robb said...

send it over to Nick Coleman at 950AM. His new radio show is on at 7am tomorrow morning. Nick just loves those frat boys. They deserve anything and everything they get. They have consistenly proven that they have no regard for facts or, god forbid, reality.

 
At 7:10 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous drieux just drieux said...

Ok, so this is a 'you can never go home again' moment. I 'turned republican' in MN when the local democrats decided to appoint both senators, the governor and the vice governor - and the IR's were the opposition party back then. So I said sure, I know republicans from my time in Franco's Spain...

So it is just sooooo comical to see that the 'gloves are off' and the full on wing-nut brigade is keeping the IR's out there in the forefront of WingNuttery!!!

Keep up the good work. Someone has to help the IR figure out which side of the republican party they want to be on this time. The side that supports fiscal responsibility, civic virtue, or the current crop of WackJobs...

 
At 7:19 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummm, and does that include e-mailed replies to unsolicited attacks (ie, "head-in-sand"; real civil, that)? Was that rather important notice included in the e-mail to Hinderaker? Does Hinderaker visit this weblog enough to notice that warning?

If not, then this blog is in the wrong, and should take down this post immediately.

 
At 7:23 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Paul said...

Three more questions for Gannon:
1) Since it was simply a matter of a few mouse clicks to access the pornographic pictures on your websites, did you ever take any precautions to make sure that innocent children (minors) did not have access as well?
2) In your 'sex for hire' occupation, were you ever approached by minors for sex, and if you were, would you take them up on it?
3) As an adult, did you ever have sex with a minor?

 
At 7:29 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummm, and does that include e-mailed replies ... If not, then this blog is in the wrong, and should take down this post immediately.

Pottymouth Emailer's Remorse?

I love it when wingnuts show their true colors.

And folks, let's call him Guckert, not Gannon. He's not Gannon, nor did he legally change his name. Calling him Guckert reminds everyone he's a phony.

 
At 7:31 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...permission to publish a private email"

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. Anonymous, since you apparently haven't heard, email is not private. Just so you know, don't send anybody an email you wouldn't want your mother to read.

 
At 7:35 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Tom said...

As the person who received an f-bomb from Glenn Reynolds the only time I ever contacted him, I'm in touch with the fact that some people don't think before they respond.

 
At 7:35 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous W. Kiernan said...

Oh well done. Did you have permission to publish a private email?Permission?! Are you crazy? If you send me an email, of course I can publish it! You sent it to me; it's mine now! Next thing you'll be claiming that "MN Politics Guru" has no right to complain because Hinderaker hasn't formally authorized him to read the email in the first place!

 
At 7:40 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I imagine Hugh Hewitt will be calling his boys over at Powerline to chide them on their rude behavior. You know, the blogosphere, according to Hugh, is all-correcting.

 
At 7:40 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Sentenza said...

The one funny thing about that is that he called you dumb. Everyone knows it is those of us on the left that are intelligent. We are the intellectual liberal elite, etc. They are the knuckle-draggers. Don't those guys know anything. Someone told me that 95% of Ph.D.s voted for Kerry. That might be high. I would like to know the real number. I wouldnt be surprised if it was 95%.

 
At 7:40 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous MJS said...

3) As an adult, did you ever have sex with a minor?It is possible that Guckert was looking for a minor with a heart of gold.

Nice blog: the intensity of the vitriol is disproportionate to the crime. Once the cussing starts the game is over: he has revealed his hand.

Keep up the good work!

+++

 
At 7:42 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hindraker would have been a good name for Guckert to choose.

 
At 7:44 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone with an IQ over 50 doesn't need to use ad hominem attacks in their rebuttals.

 
At 7:45 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

I had an exchange with "Hindrocket" that's pretty much identical to this one. After he cussed me out and called me an idiot, loser, etc. I wrote him back and took him to task for his immaturity.

It's funny... he just wrote back, saying he was sorry for losing his temper, that there were lots of really hateful mails but mine wasn't one of them and he shouldn't have responded that way, that he "lost his temper at the wrong guy."

That was about 30 seconds before I read this. This guy's just too much.

 
At 7:50 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously. You should rent a billboard right beside the main freeway in Minneapolis and put it up. There will have to be a lot of blacked-out words, naturally.

S from Van

 
At 8:05 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John???? Was he one $200 or $1200???? Guckert bottom????

Hind er acher---you really have to be joking.

Too sore to have good words for anyone???

 
At 8:06 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These guys are panicking. This thing scares them to death.

 
At 8:13 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Nino the Mindboggler said...

As a therapist, I can assure you that Hindraker's response comes from a very tenuous grasp on reality. The kind of anger Hindraker displayed was not just inappropriate, it was certifiable. I've seen many people taken down, restrained, and sedated for that kind of irrational outburst.

Hindraker is obviously seething with frustration by the fact that Guckert/Gannon besmirched "the good name" of the GOP. The cognitive dissonance of the whole story has stirred something in Mr. Hindraker's mind, like poking a stick in a hornet's nest. Just a lot of buzzing and aggression - no substance.

Unfortunately, the kind of anger Mr. Hindraker has given into can be lethal. If Mr. Hindraker has a family, it might be appropriate to have local police conduct a welfare check. It would not surprise me if Mr. Hindraker has taken to venting his aggression on a spouse and/or children.

 
At 8:21 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

forget the MN bar, just send a copy of the email to the people at Faegre & Benson, and be sure to post a copy of it on the website www.infirmation.com under the greedy minnesota board. if nothing else, young lawyers who are considering that firm need to know what kind of people they will be working for.

 
At 8:50 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Jake Nelson said...

I met Hinderaker in person once not that long ago, chance run-in. He's equally an ass face-to-face.

drieux just drieux: The IR party went back to just being Republicans a decade ago, and it's been longer than that since more than a handful truly deserved the name "Independent-Republicans".

 
At 8:56 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger The Liberal Avenger said...

The Ass-Rocket.

 
At 8:59 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger jpe said...

With a name like "Hindrocket", it's inevitable he's going to get worked up when gay prostitution is mentioned.

 
At 9:02 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Olaf glad and big said...

"oh well done. did you have permission to publish a private e-mail?"

you don't need permission to do that

 
At 9:03 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Dave said...

I think the chink in the Hindrocket armor might be the Faegre and Benson billing records. Lawyers are under considerable pressure (and it's sort of a point of honor) to achieve very high billings. This means making some client or other pay for all your hours. That means there's a good chance Hindraker has been blogging for Powerline and billing some poor schmuck, or some rich corporation, for that time. Remember the stink the righties made about Mrs. Clintons billing records. We just need somebody with a cause of action and a valid reason for discovery. Or a pissed-off managing partner. I think the managing partner is Philip S. Garon, Chairman, 612-766-7000, pgaron@faegre.com according to a cursory Google on 'managing partner fagre benson' .

 
At 9:06 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger cleversponge said...

I have been listening to the Northern Allaince Radio Network for quite some time. Because of this sorry addiction, I have been reading their blogs for a long time. Something on Powerline has happened in the last 2 weeks or so. It has really taken a turn for the nasty. I just got a Radio Shark and I am going to start blogging their radio program...I'm waiting for a good blowout. I have other MN related stuff on my site, as well.

www.monkeysponge.blogspot.com

Here's a sample from this month about thier radio show:

Every weekend, I listen to a local right-wing radio show called the Northern Alliance Radio Network. I have been listening to this show for quite some time now. My primary attraction to it is my fascination with anything that remotely approaches public-access quality programming. To this day, the greatest thing I have ever seen on TV was a public access show in Omaha where some middle age guy was sitting on a pull-out bed in his parent's small basement, singing spirituals over a bad recording on a cheap tape recorder. It was actually quite moving, as he was clearly devoted and he did not care what the expression of his faith looked like.

Anywho, the Northern Alliance Radio Network is chock full of local right-wing "illuminaries" who like to drink a lot at a place called Keegan's Irish Pub in Minneapolis. They also like to bash libruls. The really interesting thing about their ametuer show with nasaly voices is that some of their members have received world-wide attention in the past year. The most famous member of the Northern Alliance Radio Network is also one of the main writers for www.powerlineblog.com, the folks who "broke" the Dan Rather "memogate". They were also named Time magazine's blog of the year. Adding to their fame is the fact that they sometimes sit in for the nationally syndicated Hugh Hewitt on his radio program (according to the folks on NARN, Hugh is the "Blogfather". They speak of him in glowing terms.)

To me, this is completely hilarious. It's as if the guy in the basement in Omaha suddenly became a world famous gospel singer. Talentwise, nothing about the show has changed; they are still the same old post nasal drip, blame-it-on-the-MSM, conservatives are victims, d-rate pundit show as always. Yet, now...they have a larger audience and it is clearly getting to their heads.

Yesterday, they spent a large chunk of time talking about the new show by local columnist Nick Coleman on Air America Minnesota. They derided him for being "public access" (he is...very much so), for being too ideological, for being ameteur, and so on and so forth. They said that the entire stable of local Air America talent was a bunch of dog poo and they warned people not to listen to AM950.

For a moment--while they were speaking about Air America--time stood still. Visions of biblical wrath passed through my head. I had a dream where William Houng was giving Bob Dylan singing lessons. I had another where I was a member of a bad metal band who completely rocked at the high-school talent show but then was crushed in the battle of the bands at First Avenue...we still had our high-school girl groupies, but for what?

Hopefully, they will continue to become more and more diva-ish as the weeks pass by. It is really quite fun to listen to.

 
At 9:12 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Kennedy Joss said...

My fav is that Guckie is wanting to 'sue' for 'political assassination,' as though that isn't a GOP breakfast cereal he's slurped up every morning. And this Hindrocket dood, seriously, is there a reasonable Republican in the world who is able to uphold his end of the Guckie conversation without going Mary Todd?

 
At 9:28 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Robb said...

"Political Assassination," that's rich. So how would that work, is he now a politician?

 
At 9:38 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Ichabod said...

You guys are idiots if you believe this reply email is real. This really isn't Hinderaker's style. He gets too much email from you moonbats to bother. Your probably just mad because he didn't write back!

 
At 9:43 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger Robb said...

Odd, just checked and discovered that Buttrocket is posting "private" emails that have been sent to him from people who don't agree with him. Guess that makes it ok.

 
At 9:45 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A licensed attorney is required to live up to the standards of the profession at all times. A simple
ticket for "drunk and disorderly" in another state, on his/her own time, (without even driving a car)is grounds for concern by the Lawyers Professional Responsibility Board.

Polite and civil expressions of opinion are the heart of any worthwhile society. If a lawyer cannot live up to that standard, perhaps he needs to re-examine what he's really trying to do.

 
At 9:49 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, ichabod, I emailed Hindrocket two days ago with a similar bitching complaint (on a different topic). He emailed back -- within the HOUR -- with similar obscenities. Look's like he's either WAY too stressed to handle his life or he's got nothing better to do!!

 
At 10:03 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, you fools. Do not you realize that the evil Karl Rove is behind every single wingnut blog? Especially Powerline!! Rove is trying to divert your attention from the OIL that he is even now stealing from IRAN while they are searching for our drones and you dumies are responding to a harmless stupid stupid e-mail response. Jeeze. I got it a long time ago. How come you can't?.

 
At 10:13 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Ichabod said...

Anon:

Nope: Not buying it.

Besides even if he did, what is your complaint? that he hurt your feelings?

You guys are just unhappy because is Guckert thing is all you can come up with. See you in 2006.

 
At 10:32 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, it's a little-known fact that Hindraker's offensive reply was auto-generated by a "Cuss-O-Matic" (tm) Perl script. The script is triggered for many conservative authors/sites after it detects a rational argument or the presence of distracting features called "facts" in written e-mail.

 
At 10:42 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My first time here...not a blog reader, but his pottymouth is very typical of the right wingers on the Yahoo News comment boards. With bullies like that, I never give an inch. Laught at his weak attempt at deflection, correct his disinformation (with link if possible), and then repeat your original point. And then suggest mommy change his diaper. :-)

 
At 11:31 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Assamite said...

Ichabod: It's not like you listen to facts, anyway. I predict a flurry of "fucks" after this little snark. Begone, trolltard!

 
At 11:46 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the MN Bar would care about this why?

Amazing assumptions people are making over one "email" that one lone blogger said they got from someone.

 
At 11:49 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Wage Bitch is back said...

This guy might be the missing link.

(via digby via kos)

He serves directly under Karl Rove and is very active with GOPUSA.

The political apparatus of the White House is a very tight knit group. Not-so coincidently Hindrocket is only two phone calls away from this inner circle.

methinks he knows....

The next time i see him in a professional capacity, it will be hard to not laugh out loud. What a jackass.

 
At 11:51 PM, February 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

JHinderaker@faegre.com. Let's have at him.

 
At 11:53 PM, February 20, 2005, Blogger eagleye said...

If the people at ShrubCo had a brain in their heads, they would have realized that they could have de-fused the Gannon story by firing a couple of White House security operatives. They could have issued a statement that admitted a mistake was made, but they responded quickly and decisively to straighten things out.

But the Bushkies are very deeply invested in the notion that they are above being held accountable for anything; they would rather fight this thing than admit fallibility. Their hubris will be their undoing...

 
At 12:17 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger brennan said...

Topic: Jimmy Carter "traitor" comment

What do you think of a former President meeting secretly with the Soviet Ambassador to pledge support for the Soviet opposition to official United States Foreign Policy?

Carter's actions were highly indicative of his nature as President. It is highly unethical for a former President to meet with other leaders to discuss official US policy without informing the sitting commander in chief.

 
At 12:28 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone can make up anything they want...

Let's see the screenshot of the actual email....Ooops, heh heh

There isn't one

File this under "Santa Claus"

 
At 12:46 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Gadfly said...

I wrote Hindrocket myself, subject line:

"Who are you calling a left-wing shit, you right wing shit?"

I then went Monty Python on him and the whole Powerline troika, saying:
"I fart in your general direction, you wipers of other people's bottoms."

HindLicker actually wrote back, but just to tell me "generally we ignore hate mail," playing up the innocence angle.

 
At 12:52 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger LiberalPride said...

My, oh my. Where's the soap? Where's the soap?

I think it's time to start calling the GOP what it really is... the Gay Old Party. I know, I know, it's probably already been said, but I don't believe it has been said enough. Gay and Republican should become synonymous in the minds of American citizens. "Repitition works," as Karl Rove would probably say.

The vitriolic response by many wing-nuts to the Guckert/Gannon scandal obviously has touchy-feelied some nerve that some Gay Old Party members want left untouched, unfeelied. So we need to keep poking at it. The Gay Old Party. Has a nice ring, doesn't it?

Gay Old Party
Gay Old Party
Gay Old Party

 
At 12:56 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, Ichabod. On what basis do you say that? None? Yeah, I thought as much.

I would imagine that if the email were fake, Mr Hinderaker would have said so. Surely he has seen it; both Kos and Atrios have blogged this. And he has certainly received numerous emails about this.

But he didn't. If its fake, he's not doing a very good job of defending himself!

 
At 12:57 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always believed Hinderocket was leaked to by White House operatives for Rathergate. I mean, how many tips about NYC and DC matters wind up in MN first?

So essentially, assuming I'm correct, Hinderocket isn't pimping for naked Marines, but is as much a White House pimp - bought and paid for - as Guckert likely is.

That would explain his demeanor; he's showing a peer whore professional courtesy.

Just ignore him and maybe the continuing flood of phoe calls at home and office will prove to be the one price he pays for his lack of honor.

-Kevin Hayden
American Street

 
At 1:01 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous JOE said...

Formal movement is being organized at Kos to reveal this guy's lying, propagandist ways to his clients, and the larger community.

He should not be tolerated. He has a right to free speech, but we have a right to publicize his speech.

 
At 1:04 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like Hindrocket was drunk. Seriously. I've posted at websites after coming home from drinking...bad idea.

 
At 1:16 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, "ICHABOD"...
Let's say, just for laughs, I decided to post something about Markos, something made up.

For example: I post on my blog that I got an email from Markos where he says his sentiment towards contractors killed in Iraq is to say, "Screw 'em!"

Now, if I didn't have a screenshot or any other evide.......

Wait a sec....

*smacks forehead*

He really did say that....

silly me

 
At 1:20 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an addendum...

I don't see a screenshot of MN's email, either...

He just claims he was civil...

You people are as bad as Oliver "Upside Down" Willis...

 
At 1:43 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video: What Hinderocket thinks of the left

 
At 2:08 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've met Hinderaker, and this doesn't sound like him. In all honesty I think you made the whole thing up.

In fact, judging from the traffic this site's getting, I'd damn near BET that you made the whole thing up.

This would be easy enough to clear up, however. Post a screenshot of the e-mail, complete with the address header on it.

 
At 2:09 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the idea of sending copies of that disgusting email response to all attorneys at his firm, especially the senior partners. Then make sure their clients are aware of this Nut Job's sick behavior.

I doubt all of their clients are Right Wing Nut Jobs, I would love to see this guys life turned upside down.

 
At 2:13 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger brennan said...

He should not be tolerated. He has a right to free speech, but we have a right to publicize his speech.That's a poor choice of words. Drop the first sentence and you're golden less you are building the foundation for your message on intolerance.

 
At 2:16 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet Rove will have Tim Goeglein's head. I believe he is the missing link between Gannon and the Whitehouse.

I predict he will be terminated in the next few days...

 
At 2:20 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Faegre and Benson is the reportedly the "top" law firm in Minneapolis. We're talking old-school relationships, private clubs, and strong resumes. They are well connected.

You won't offend their customers by saying they are right-wingers. You also won't impress the bar with a complaint. The star tribune won't publish a comment about his language either, as he didn't exactly do anything wrong, and he is not famous enough for gossip.

Now, if he shows poor discretion in public, that's about the only embarrassing item here. But he probably has clients who enjoy his candor.

I'd focus your energy on more important / productive issues and let it slide.

 
At 2:26 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger moioci said...

The more I know about Hindrocket, the more I think it's a compliment for JEC to be "on the other side." Please, can I go on the other side, too? Cause frankly it's a little aromatic over here.

 
At 2:35 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger an american said...

The "honor" and "integrity" Bush said he would bring to the White House is personified in Jeff Gannon/Guckert/et al. Would you expect anything more from the Master of Low Expectations?

 
At 2:36 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still think the law firm should be contacted. If all it does is piss him off, what fun!

I can hear him now, ranting like a harpy, complaining about being slandered and victimized - like he did over that local newspaper columnist.

Powerline is so boring, so nowhere, so tired, but quite comical and pathetic.

I say let's throw a little fire at the scarecrow for some fun and games!

 
At 2:37 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wingnuts, listen:

Until there's some proof that one of the Powerline boys IN FACT sent this e-mail, you need to think before you start sounding the wingnut alarm bells.

Without proof that this e-mail was ever written and delivered to this website, y'all got nothing.

Of course, I know that's never stopped any of you in the past... but still. Think clearly, just this one time.

 
At 2:38 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous wage bitch said...

The star tribune won't publish a comment about his language either, as he didn't exactly do anything wrong, and he is not famous enough for gossip.au contraire... the strib has a running feud with hindraker. He is one of their loudest critics, and somewhat of a local hero to the wing-nuttery of the land of 10000 lakes. He certainly is a big enough fish to fry.

 
At 2:38 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't 'hindrocket' gay slang for a 'top'?

 
At 2:39 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Matthew said...

It's funny how intellectually insecure people keep going on about IQ.
And in the same vein, with so many trolls going on about the email being fake, it must offend even them.

 
At 2:42 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

You're taking this guy's word that this "e-mail" really exists.

Don't any of you think that the newspaper would want PROOF that this e-mail was sent?

Don't any of you think that the Minnesota Bar Association (ha-ha-ha) would want PROOF that this e-mail was sent?

Don't any of you think that Hinderaker's employer would want PROOF that this e-mail was sent?

Jesus Christ, it's true. None of you wingnuts can think for yourselves.

 
At 2:44 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in the same vein, with so many trolls going on about the email being fake, it must offend even them.Yes, that's right. I'm "offended" that a nobody typed up some shit, slapped it on Blogger, and said "Lookit! It's from Powerline!"

The horror of it all! I must simply be offended!

Have you thought that maybe you're not thinking clearly? That you have absolutely no idea if this statement is true or not?

I thought you wingnuts liked "facts" and "truth", yet I see zero evidence that you're concerned about much more than sitting around in a circle jerk and making fun of some guy who pisses you off.

 
At 2:53 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to old fashioned conservatives, the kind who were gentlemen? Gone the way of the dodo, I suppose.They stepped down when all of the old fashioned lib'ruls disappeared, and were replaced by swine like Atrios and Markos.

But maybe some of them will come back when wingnuts like the owner of this site step up to the freakin' plate and act rationally.

For starters, please post a screencap of the e-mail, complete with the header. Then you'll be a big man in blogdom, Champ. You'll be the guy who exposed John Hinderaker as a loudmouth a-hole.

C'mon, what have you got to lose? You'll have millions of adoring fans! Fame and adoration! They'll write diaries about you at Kos! Atrios will let you guest-post for a week solid! Tbogg will let you play with his basset hound! Fame will be yours when you cap this baby and slap it up on your page. Won't it be great?

 
At 2:54 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Steve J. said...

"At 12:17 AM, brennan said...

What do you think of a former President meeting secretly with the Soviet Ambassador to pledge support for the Soviet opposition to official United States Foreign Policy?"

That's not what Carter did. This is just another example of a lie from the Noise Machine.

 
At 2:59 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to know if he really sent that email, why not call and ask him?

 
At 2:59 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time's a wastin, Sonny Jim!

Oliver Willis just said that he'll take you out for a Denny's Grand Slam in the mornin' (right after he's on the TeeVee) if you publish a cap of that e-mail. James Wolcott is on-board too, stating that he'll take you to a screening of the re-released "Deep Throat" when it hits town.

Give. Us. A. Screencap.

 
At 3:03 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to know if he really sent that email, why not call and ask him?Lemme get this straight...

Hinderaker is eletist, lying, right-wing scum, a man that most of you seem to hate and would like to see "shook up"... and you expect me to call him on the telephono and believe what he tells me?

No, no, no.

Wingnuts, listen. Listen good. Get them listenin' ears on, m'kay?

This blogger is accusing a man of doing something that most (even many who don't particularly care for him) would agree is uncharacteristic of him. The burden of proof lies here, right here on this blogger.

You can't just toss out potty-mouthed text and then say "See! Hinderaker is a very, very bad man!"

Proof, wingnuts... proof is not so hard to produce if you've got it.

 
At 3:07 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A'ight wingnuts! I'm be back in a few hours to see if you've all come to your senses and gotten your poop in a group when it comes to proving what a naughty-pants Hindrocket is.

I know you loons won't let me down. If I see definitive proof that the owner of this blog received such an e-mail, I'll clap my hands with glee. "Look! A wingnut who's got a pair! He's got a real scoop!"

If there's no proof by tomorrow... well, I'll still be happy! Cuz all of my suspicions about you Fightin' Nutters wankers will be confirmed once again.

 
At 3:12 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say Nutters, one more thing before I rush off for some much needed beauty sleep:

Why didn't you post the e-mail address from which you received the Hinderaker Potty Bomb? Isn't that customary? That way the readers can all write in to the offender and say, "Gee Mr. Hinderaker, what's the deal?" (See, I know all you moonbats are nothing if not polite when corresponding with the opposite side.)

I know that's what Atrios has done in the past, when he's gotten a particularly bizarre e-mail from a 'winger. And I know that's what Terry-boy Coppage (oops! y'all know him as "Bartcop", don'tcha?) does with his Monkey Mail.

Imagine if you put up the e-mail address! Even that would be better than nothing!

Or maybe: the blogger didn't think about running over to Powerline and looking up the e-mail address! Could be!

Mmmm-uah! Kisses, Nutters! Don't miss me too much!

 
At 3:18 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is this freak calling everyone wingnuts?

Let's reserve that for the Right Wing Nut Jobs like HindRocket...

 
At 3:21 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is this freak calling everyone wingnuts?Because you are wingnuts, you silly little goose!

You've all got your knickers in a twist over a magical, mysterious vapormail.

Now, I'm not sayin' that there can't be wingnuts on the right. I'm just sayin' that it's been a day or two since Hindrockert had to sit around composing fake e-mail and passing it off as something somebody wrote to him.

 
At 3:53 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jheka said...

You know, the anonymous poster who is asking for the screenshot makes an excellent point. I mean, here is a virtually unknown lefty blog that averages an anemic 6 posts per week and hardly any comments (3 in 10 days before this dust-up) on the fairly narrow subject of Minnesota politics and he is claiming that the biggest blogging fish in the 10,000 lakes took time out to send him a profanity-laced e-mail that looks like it was written by an angry 12 year old. Suddenly, he's Kos' cause celebre and he's getting more traffic and comments in a few hours than he's seen, well, EVER.

And yet, he's only published the body of the alleged e-mail. If, in fact, you received the e-mail from Power Line or Mr. Hinderaker, post the header and remove all doubt. Or, hell, forward it to Zuniga and let him trumpet it to the world (not that he hasn't already, without a shred of proof).

I don't know if Hinderaker or someone at Power Line wrote the e-mail. I don't kow whether there was an e-mail at all. Hell, "Guru" might be some 15 year old kid who's making the whole thing up and trying to figure out how to set up a paypal account in light of all the traffic, for all I know. However, if you're going to accuse someone of something, be prepared to back it up or wind up looking like a complete idiot.

 
At 3:57 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The name "wingnut" can easily apply to either party.

Could you please refer to people as Right-wingnuts and Left-wingnuts to clarify to which nut you are referring?

It is getting pretty confusing otherwise.

 
At 4:05 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous daryl said...

Yep, cause it really serves a lot of purpose to repeatedly call for someone to update their blog at 3 AM in their time zone of residence. "OMGWTF!11!! T3h Intarweb is not instant!!!1!one! My head will explode!"Should he post the screencap that you're apparently wetting yourself for, will you retract? Or crawl back under your rock like the light-avoiding troll you really are?

 
At 4:06 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually know a guy named Max Powers for real. But he doesn't have access to the WH.

 
At 4:24 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Profit Fatty said...

Can't we all just get along?
No.
Why?
You talkin'to me? You talkin'to me?

(Ya got 'em on the ropes, boys.)

 
At 5:27 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like many conservatives today, he was a liberal in college. Secondly, how he replies to a personal email at his gmail account outside of work is his own business. Should people be taking person emails from anti-war protesters and sending them to their bosses and co-workers? It is unethical to try and undermine someone's livelihood when their work is seperate. Debate the issue, but I reckon many here cannot debate substantative issues as shown by the comments and posting. He is a skilled, smart commentator. I see where the lefty blogger was wrong, but where was the Powerline blogger in error exactly

You'll be making a fool of yourself by trying to file a bar complaint or send emails to his partners. But go ahead and do it and see what happens.

 
At 5:34 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whooaa. And I thought the stereotype was Republicans not liking gays. I guess this proves that liberals are equally offended by gays given the distainful comments.

 
At 5:39 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Powerline dude did include explitives, but he did make his rebuttal and explain why he disagreed. I see his frustration with the liberals who don't know facts or ignore them. A liberal email would simply be, "You are a stupid sh*t" without any sensible response. I'm a surprised a few curse words in an email get people here all unfocused.

 
At 6:48 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Judah said...

I heard Hindrocket is Gay

 
At 7:04 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger (: Tom :) said...

Wow! This must be really upsetting Republics. Look at how many anonymous comments they put in here asking for some sort of proof. How much proof did they have with that Eason Jordan thing, again? How much proof for Rathergate? Oh, that's right - it was pretty much based on hearsay and a bunch of guys playing around with word processing software. So, let's make sure that we can anonymously try and discredit any story coming from the left! Hey, cowards, how about signing your name to your comments? From the tone of them it sounds like a$$rocker hasn't sobered up yet and is trying to plant the seeds of doubt under an assumed name...

And it sounds just like a spokesman of the right - the hubris, the insults, the potty mouth. I would expect a lawyer to deny he wrote such a thing. After all, the word of a conservative lawyer is golden, right?

I would also think that a rabid neocon such as a$$rocker would sue someone for libel if these words were falsely attributed to him. And he would keep it out of the courts if he knew there was proof somewhere that he made these statements. Why don't we wait and see who blinks first?

 
At 7:04 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He should not be tolerated. He has a right to free speech, but we have a right to publicize his speech.That's a poor choice of words. Drop the first sentence and you're golden less you are building the foundation for your message on intolerance."

Are all 'wingers as stupid as you? Or is it simple cowardice that makes you think you can say what ever the Hell you want and not be held accountable for it?

I think it is probably a combination: Stupidity and cowardice. The main ingredients of the Right wing mentality.


-

 
At 7:05 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He should not be tolerated. He has a right to free speech, but we have a right to publicize his speech.That's a poor choice of words. Drop the first sentence and you're golden less you are building the foundation for your message on intolerance."

Are all 'wingers as stupid as you? Or is it simple cowardice that makes you think you can say what ever the Hell you want and not be held accountable for it?

I think it is probably a combination: Stupidity and cowardice. The main ingredients of the Right wing mentality.


-

 
At 8:04 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For anyone interested...I believe Mr. Rocket should rightfully be called Paul, Jr....He's from Watertown, SD...his family is quite wealthy and he was/is the apple of their eyes.

 
At 8:33 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For anyone interested...I believe Mr. Rocket should rightfully be called Paul, Jr....He's from Watertown, SD...his family is quite wealthy and he was/is the apple of their eyes.Wow. Well - it's pretty obvious the guy isn't from Minnesota. I don't recall a lot of rural Minnesotans (or Minnesotans in general that I've known) that would use that kind of language to a total stranger.

Wow.

 
At 8:37 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And who really gives a rats a-S-S that some conservative blogger used curse words in his email? There are many curse words on Kos's homepage, calling people names. I don't get why anyone cares about this.

 
At 8:42 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And with that, ladies and gents of the jury, I rest my case. Stupid shit, leave us alone, stupid shit, IQ 50, stupid shit." Wow, this guy is a real Cicero! Definitely put this guy's oratory credentials where potential clients can see them.

 
At 8:43 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And with that, ladies and gents of the jury, I rest my case. Stupid shit, leave us alone, stupid shit, IQ 50, stupid shit." Wow, this guy is a real Cicero! Definitely put this guy's oratory credentials where potential clients can see them.

--Kennedy Joss

 
At 8:57 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got the same type of reply from hindrocket before about being stupid. He must really have low self esteem.

 
At 9:33 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Pat said...

Well, I mean, he is right, you know. Gannon did get his press passes by submitting his "work" name, real name and Social Security #, so your comment was pretty dumb. His was rude in response, no denying it.

 
At 10:14 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Hinderocket used some words.
So what?
Conservatives get upset sometimes.
Even good ones.
I had a dispute with a conservative recently (over his woman, of course).
He called me some words.
You know what? I just let it go.
That's the manly thing to do.
But you Moonbats wouldn't know that.
Iron Fist, LGF.

 
At 10:18 AM, February 21, 2005, Blogger moderate said...

C'mon...just find a trendy bar downtown...bring your cigars, (cuban, if possible...nudge-nudge, wink-wink), wear your flag lapel pin, order a good imported lager, and tell "patriotic" stories to each other...and who says freedom isn't free?

 
At 10:28 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reflecting on the retort from Powerline, you could assume that Hindrocket's IQ must be a tad over his "suggested benchmark" of 50. I wonder where the phone booth is located that holds the annual meeting of the "Republican College Professor's Assn.".

 
At 10:44 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you may have been duped. If you have spent any time corresponding with Hindrocket, you quickly find that he is very well educated and very well mannered. Is it possible that this e-mail is a fraud? Maybe it was from Burkert, Dan Rather or maybe even Karl Rove playing you like a flute?

 
At 10:54 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is a "hindrocket" anyway? Sounds campatable with Gannon's "loose cannon"! Coincidence? Or Customer? M4M that is?

 
At 11:20 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iron Fist, are you talking about Evariste slamming you to the floor and pointing out what a liar and fake you are? Haven't you noticed how few people pay attention to you on LGF now?
You are a disgrace to the conservative movement. We don't need your kind. I wish you would just join the moonbats you fraud.
For those who don't know: long time LGFer Iron Fist was 'outed' as a serial liar. He is to be ignored from now on.

 
At 11:50 AM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I understand it, 'Wingnuts' are conservative types, 'Moonbats' are the liberals. Mixing the terms will lead to confusion. (Both ends of the political spectrum have a screw loose, IMHO.)

 
At 12:00 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Blogesota said...

I think you should spread that email around to the other Powerline bloggers, their fans, and the MN State Bar Association, TCF Bank (employer of one of the Powerliners), and the Board of Directors at the Claremont Institute (Powerline's coyly-named White Power adjuct).

 
At 12:01 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Raoul Duke said...

Hey, you (left-wing) Nutters! Didja all miss me while I was resting my weary eyes!

You maroons have really gotten after it while I was away, but I STILL don't see any proof that this e-mail is real.

A couple of you dolls have left some really cool treats for me, but I really only have time to tap one or two of them for all of their glittering genius and keen intellect.

From (:tom:)[cute name, sailor!]

Wow! This must be really upsetting Republics. Look at how many anonymous comments they put in here asking for some sort of proof.Yeah, us "Republics" and the truth. Funny how people type up some phony crap, but it on the Internets and say it's from someone else, and then act all surprised when one or two people all stop by and say "Um, can you back that up?"

AIN'T IT A CRIME! AIN'T IT A SHAME! EVIL BASTARDS ALWAYS WANTING PROOF!!!!!

How much proof did they have with that Eason Jordan thing, again?Besides the accounts of people who were there? Oh, gee, I dunno... none? And now here's the thing that'll blow your socks off, monkey: WE WANTED THE VIDEOTAPE RELEASED!!!!

But no luck there. Eason Jordan just resigned, and never offered to let us see the tape so we could clear his name.

How much proof for Rathergate?Besides a handful of forged memos? Gee, none at all.

Oh, that's right - it was pretty much based on hearsay and a bunch of guys playing around with word processing software.Sonny Jim, if you think that Rathergate is based solely on "hearsay" (I doubt you could define it if you had to) and people playing with MS Word, you need to get out more often. Your kindergarten teacher picked a poor week to take you kids to the museum! She should have had you in class, giving you firm instruction on why Mapes and Rather were trying to shake down a presidential election!

So, let's make sure that we can anonymously try and discredit any story coming from the left!Heh, you make it sound like it's hard or something.

Hey, cowards, how about signing your name to your comments?I'll post comments under my own name when Atrios starts posting to his blog under his own name. Sure, I know Atrios isn't "anonymous" any more, but why can't he just sign "Duncan" and "Black" on the dotted line?

From the tone of them it sounds like a$$rocker hasn't sobered up yet and is trying to plant the seeds of doubt under an assumed name...You nutters are so cute you when you get to sputtering! What makes you think that Hindrocket spends his time racing about the Internets to anonymously rebut every lie the wingnuts write about him?

And it sounds just like a spokesman of the right - the hubris, the insults, the potty mouth. I would expect a lawyer to deny he wrote such a thing. After all, the word of a conservative lawyer is golden, right?Umm.... right? I don't know, is that really a question you're asking?!

Why don't we wait and see who blinks first?Mua-hahahahahahaha! You nutters and your games. If you want my advice, you lefties and your unblinking eyes are one (of several dozen) reasons why everyone looks at you funny when you're out in public.

So we're in day three here, right! Put up or shut up, wingnuts! Prove your charge!

 
At 12:10 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hindrocket is highly educated in the legal profession. Do most of you actually think that he would say anything as juvenile and uneducated as what he is being accused without any proof? If he wanted to be degogatory, he would never do it at such a basic level. Can you say, "Baa, I am a sheep"? Can you say, "I will believe anything, because I want it to be true"? Can you say, "It must be true, Dan Rather said it"?

 
At 12:24 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous John said...

Two more questions for "Hindrocket":

1)Is it ok for a "journalist" to plagarize White House and RNC (or DNC for that matter) talking points without attributing them in his reporting?

2)Is it ok for a "journalist" to falsely attribute statements to a sitting Senator, while asking the President a (softball) question?

 
At 12:30 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you admitted you were mistaken in thinking that Guckert was admitted to the White House under an assumed name? It was a crappy way to point out your mistake, but the point still remians you were wrong.

 
At 12:53 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh well done. Did you have permission to publish a private email?He doesn't need anyone's permission to publish a "private e-mail" or anything else. Check your constitution.

 
At 12:57 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Blogger "Minnesota Politics" (MP)should definitely send this to "the Minnesota Bar"....unless of course it is not true. Yes, MP should send this to "Hindrocket's bosses" ....unless of course it is not true. Yes, MP should send it to "Hugh Hewitt"....unless of course it isn't true. Yes, MP should send this profane response to "Nick Coleman" .... unless of course it isn't true. (Nick bottom is still a litte red anyway from his last encounter with Powerline) MP should post the "actual e-mail" for everyone to see what an a** Hindrocket is .... unless of course it isn't true. There are many things MP should do and do quickly...unless of course it isn't true and therefore it MUST all a big fraud...in which case MP is a big fraud. I might be wrong but I guess the ball is in MP's court. Put up or shut up! All of you that are so worked up, think how worked up you can be once MP does what he should do...and everyting IS TRUE. You nor I can wait! Unfortunately, I am afraid that we will all have to wait, and wait and wait.

 
At 1:08 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what Evariste had to say about 'Iron Fist'. Slapped him down good!


http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14696#c0258

 
At 1:34 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, MP YOU GOT THE "KOS-ALANCHE" YOU WANTED...

YOU DID IT BY LYING, WHICH IS TYPICAL LIBERAL S.O.P....

YOU LIBS THAT BELIEVE THIS MP PUNK ARE PAR FOR THE COURSE...

JUST A BUNCH OF KIDDIES PLAYING IN THEIR SANDBOX, WHILE THE REAL ADULTS TAKE CARE OF THE NATION'S BUSINESS

 
At 1:42 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous daryl said...

...as opposed to those oh-so-intelligent conservative types who don't know how to find a Caps Lock key...

 
At 2:01 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

OOh, lookie here, if the conservatives can't spew foul language that have to use BOLD FACE and CAPITAL letters to unleash their snide venom.
I guess Minnesota nice only applied to the democrats of the great northern state.

 
At 2:03 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how all this headache could have been avoided with a merely civil response to the original e-mail.

 
At 2:12 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Glenn said...

----"JUST A BUNCH OF KIDDIES PLAYING IN THEIR SANDBOX, WHILE THE REAL ADULTS TAKE CARE OF THE NATION'S BUSINESS"----

Oh gee not that weak line again I keep hearing from some people on the right. Yep the grownups who needed to plant a fake reporter to lob em softballs at the White House? The ones who think torture is justifiable as long as it is the Americans doing it? The ones who backtrack from everything they say? "We never said there were Weapons of Mass Destruction". "We never knew Gannon wasn't his real name".

As far as the Raoul Duke character asking for proof that this email is real, sure I keep open the possibility in my mind this is all a hoax, but before you go around pounding your chest (too late) thinking you have come up with a clever escape for hindrocket, why don't you tell everyone what kind of proof you are looking for. How shall one prove they have recived a real email response back? Should we just assume anyone who claims they have recieved an email from someone is lying until they show us proof the email was written by who they say it was? A simple "I am skeptical" is fine. I wouldn't put all my eggs in your basket though banking on the idea that it is fake. Your insistence that it probably is shows that you don't condone what was said, so don't come back here trying to defend Hindrocket later on if it turns out he responds to a lot of people this way.

For now Hindrockets response follows the same form as many of their posted responses on their blog (just with more profanity). They have been suggesting lately that all the leftists who email them are not smart enough to hold a conversation with the superior minds of Powerline. Maybe poor Hindrocket got sick of the email deluge he was under and snapped.

 
At 2:13 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jheka said...

Who says there ever was an original e-mail ... or a response, civil or otherwise?

Or is it still the wrong time of day/night in Minnesota for Guru to respond?

 
At 2:18 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

Let's discuss CONSERVATIVE Republican standard procedure and see how that measures up:
(This is also called the right wing noise machine)
Republican White House puts conservative ringer in the white house press pool. Said ringer asks loaded questions that are easy or "soft balled." At the very least, ringer can be used to get any questioning off track if it deemed to harsh.
Then bloggers (freepers in repugnant land) quote said ringer as if he were a real journalist (and not a two bit whore. This is not hyperbole for a change. This ringer acutally is a two bit whore. How refreshing).
Then Limbaugh can get on the air and quote the ringer. He often even lauds the whore (again factual statement, not exaggeration) for his questions and his method and uses those juicey quotes.
From there, other right wing outlets like the Washington Times and Fox news jump on the band wagon.
If the story is one the Republican white house wants repeating, such as the memos used on 60 minutes, the right wing press harps on the information hourly till the mainstream press follows the tail that wags the dog.

If one is going to disparage another sides SOP, one should ensure their side is not rife with corruption. You types LOVE your bible, there is a quote about living in glass houses that you should remember.

Now go way, ya bother me.

 
At 2:18 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Glenn said...

To the Conservatives on here, if this is all a hoax, I am sure Hindrocket will be quick to come out and deny this right? There easy enough. Instead of telling us all we're stupid for believing HIndrocket is this big of an a-hole, just sit back and wait and I am sure Hindrocket will have a repsonse to this in the next day or so. Then we'll have an idea about whether or not this is a hoax. If there is silence, it will be deafening.

 
At 2:22 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Daedalus said...

So this is how it works: I write something plainly offensive to someone. They, in turn, search the net; find my employer; assonate my character; write my clients, voicing similar displeasures; then, self-righteously proclaim their justification while they dance with glee.

All because I underestimated their IQ and called them uneducated excrement. All because I happen to hold, and voice a different political view.

I too, would like to see the screen shot of the actual e-mail before I attack someone's livelihood, and rape their good name.

 
At 2:48 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please, Don't pretend to take the high road. Character assissinatoin is not called "freeping" for nothing. Look what the right wing noise machine did to Eason Jordan and Dan Rather.
And if you are going to take the high road do it with a spell check.
assissnate is the word you meant to spell.
In Mr. Hindkisser's letter he said in IQ of 50 was needed to particpate. If we insist on the same level of intelligence, you, my friend, are sadly lacking.

 
At 2:50 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"assissnate is the word you meant to spell."

No, it's "assassinate".

Heh

 
At 2:54 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jensen said " You types LOVE your bible, there is a quote about living in glass houses that you should remember."Chapter and verse for that quote?

Anyone?


Helloooooo?

 
At 2:59 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Robb said...

wow, this has really riled up the right-wing nut jobs. Powerline must have sent out an emergency trollgram to all their little playmates with nothing better to do than bombard a site with inane comments in the middle of the nightk. What a bunch of blowhard frat boys.

 
At 3:08 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Josia said...

You guys sound so intelligent - don't you have anything better to do with your time?? I'm really serious ...

 
At 3:09 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

woops, typed so fast I misspelled, but you gotta admit my spelling was much closer than "asonate."
And I was joking about the bible quote. It is called sarcasm, but I guess one shouldn't expect a republican to get it.

 
At 3:14 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Daedalus said...

"Assassinate” it is, thank you. You have both spelled it and demonstrated it!

I take it, then, that if I were to join this happy band I would be forbidden to take "high" roads? To set an example for, let’s say, kindergarteners?

Indeed! A promising recruitment technique!

 
At 3:15 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great work.

These guys are absolute extremists, and we need to chip away at their credibility by exposing them at every turn. Anyone who calls Jimmy Carter a traitor should be heaped with scorn.

Lindstrom's Shameless Antagonist (www.shamelessantagonist.blogspot.com)has been functioning as a de-facto Powerline Watch for a year and a half. You guys should tag-team the bastards.

Just because they can't understand what the issues are doesn't mean they don't exist.

 
At 3:16 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Daedalus said...

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At 3:27 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Chris Bateman said...

I am a student at Dartmouth College, the alma mater of the wackos over at Powerline. I am pretty shocked at the response you received from them. I sent them my own message calling this a disgrace and an embarassment to our college.

I also linked to your post from my own blog which a couple of liberal Dartmouth friends and I run. I am trying to encourage other Dartmouth students to write in to Powerline and express their dismay. You can see my call to arms here at The Little Green Blog.

Thanks for making us all aware of this and keep up the fight.

 
At 3:27 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous jensem said...

daed head a lust
how have I spelled and "demonstrated" "assassinate"?
Pray, tell me how I have demonstrated an assassination by reminding republicans that they behave in one manner but demand the other side have a higher standard?
It is like the bad parent who says "do as i say, not as I do."

It would be nice (and it has worked for quite some years) for the Republicans (ala Scaife et al) to rip into politicos they do not like and truly delve into personal matters, but then to feign high dudgeon when nasty scandals are discovered about them.

To make it clear, when one sends an email to a blogger one better realize it could end up on the blog. (bartcop.com constantly prints Repugnant emails for our amusement. And they DO amuse).
And when one posts x-rated websites and solicits sex one is working in a public domain and the matter is not personal, but professional. Bringing attention to the website is hardly a matter of intrusion into one's personal life, but assisting one's pubilicity.

Playing nasty is the Bush Leagues M.O. It is about time we participated in this game with the same intensity.

 
At 3:31 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jheka said...

Since I commented about it upthread, let me be the first (or among the first) to acknowledge that the e-mail is real. Hindrocket just posted about it on Power Line.

 
At 3:32 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Powerline just confirmed the authenticity of the emal and posted an "explanation." You conservatives who don't believe Hindrocket could ever post something so stupid and nasty can commence sucking it now.

 
At 3:38 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous wage bitch said...

Hindrocket admits it's real:

LINK The next day, one of these emailers responded that he thought my reply was disproportionate to the offensiveness of his email; I agreed and apologized for having reacted inappropriately. I would have done the same with the "Minnesota Politics" guy if he had contacted me rather than posting my email--which obviously wasn't intended for publication--on his site.Hey right wing loonies - You owe the host a serious apology.

 
At 3:39 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok. Hindrocket has admitted that the e-mail is true.

Awaiting all the apologies from the wingnuts...

 
At 3:45 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So when are you going to update your post with their apology? Given the behavior they've had to put up with, I don't blame him for snapping:"These are not nice people. In addition to emailing us at our feedback address with every manner of invective, they called my office. My secretary stopped answering my telephone because callers swore at her. The telephone campaign reached a new low this morning, when someone purporting to be a reporter at a gay newspaper in Los Angeles called my office and asked me to comment on a "rumor" to the effect that there are photos floating around of me in a "tryst" with Jeff Gannon. Suffice it to say that these people are beyond unpleasant."

 
At 3:50 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous daryl said...

Nope, in the same way that left-wing bloggers are "shameful" for exposing Gannon's none-too-hidden prostitution activities, expect to be pilloried by the right for publishing a "private" email.

How Hinderaker doesn't know that "The first rule of Flame War is: don't dish it out unless you want it public" is beyond me.

 
At 3:51 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, the email was real...

Hindrocket was a man about it and apologized...


I would like to see how you moon-nuts would hold up under that kind of assault...


Any one of you liberal PUNKS would have done far worse, probably death threats...

So shaddap already...

It's time to change your diapers

 
At 3:51 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

The sound your hear is the rumble of trolls running for cover. Back under the bridge with all of you.

As the only troll argument was this was character ASSASSINATION (happy anonymous), and that argument was shot to bits by Hindkisser's admission of authorship of nasty dismissive email, we can happily move on.

 
At 3:55 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

Sorry anonymous, but your right wing nut comrade did not apologize. If what he wrote was what repugnants consider an apology, than you group yourself with a nasty cabal.

The man ADMITTED he wrote the nasty missive, but did not apologize. So he is not the MAN you claim. And dismissing us as not being so grand a person really falls flat.

In fact, you help prove our superiority.

And we thank you.

(See, wasn't that nice. I said thank you.)

 
At 3:55 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous wage bitch said...

Hindrocket got the gay calls because of his appearance defending Jeff Guckert er... James Gannon on TV. It was fun watching a winger defend a gay male prostitute. It had little to do with this blog.


'Raker wants to be a big time right wing new media darling.


Well, he got his wish.

 
At 3:57 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's rich. Someone comments civilly on something that Hindrocket says and gets this in response (just to make sure the stage is set):

"You dumb shit, he didn't get access using a fake name, he used his real name. You lefties' concern for White House security is really touching, but you know what, you stupid asshole, I think the Secret Service has it covered. Go crawl back into your hole, you stupid left-wing shithead. And don't bother us anymore. You have to have an IQ over 50 to correspond with us. You don't qualify, you stupid shit."

And now it's incumbent on this person to ask for an *apology*? What a crock.

 
At 4:01 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

All together now, "ha, ha"

 
At 4:08 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You conservatives who don't believe Hindrocket could ever post something so stupid and nasty can commence sucking it now." ......
Hindrocket apologized. That he permitted himself to sink to the level of the moonbats is unfortunate. He said he won't do it again. Can you say the same?

 
At 4:08 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you know who wrote that email exactly?

 
At 4:13 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical SOP of you liberals...You attack and attack and attack and push and push and push until the guy finally SNAPS...

Then you gleefully run around saying "SEE? SEE? Hypocrite! Hypocrite!"


You push a guy until he reacts, then criticize his reaction.The truth is, you would have reacted IN THE SAME WAY had the shoe been on the other footSo shaddap, already...

Time to change your diapers

 
At 4:19 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sorry anonymous, but your right wing nut comrade did not apologize."

I really shouldn't have to do this.

apol·o·gy : an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret.

Read the Powerline response. It's what growups do when they've been wrong.

 
At 4:20 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

It's so sad the way one has to repeat things over and over for thick headed conservatives. (maybe that's where the right wing noise machine got the idea to repeat, repeat, repeat...)

ANYWAY,

Hindkisser DID NOT apologize for writing that nasty letter to the writer of this blog.

He ADMITTED he wrote it and might have apologized if he was asked to apologize - if he was told his nasty mouthed letter was uncalled for. Instead, his shame was posted for ALL to see. So, he did not apologize to anyone at this blog.

GET IT! He is not the bigger man. He is not better mannered. He is a repugnant republican who must be asked for an apology. And believe me, none would have been forth coming if he had not been BUSTED.

Isn't he supposed to go wash himself in the blood of Jesus now and claim to be born again for any apology to wash with that constituency?

And the only reason Hindsucker will NEVER do this again is not because of any moral fiber. It is because of FEAR he will be posted.

And that is the truth.

Suck on it.

 
At 4:22 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think you need to worry about contacting Hindrocket's law firm, since a bunch of you lefty screwballs have been calling and swearing at his secretary. Very classy!
What is the big deal about Gannon anyway? How many big time reporters ever asked Slick Willie about Juanita Broadrick's claim that he raped her? Zero (you know, your collective IQ). Of course when Al Gore gets asked about it at a Town Hall meeting, the woman who asks it is audited by the IRS. You believe that all reporters should share your liberal views and any who don't are Republican stooges. Is the gay angle a big deal? No it isn't. Who out there among you has munched carpet or packed fudge? Does that impact your blogging or point of view? Should it affect anything you want to do in the future? No.

 
At 4:24 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

BTW, how was Hindpumper pushed and pushed? The one letter he received before writing his nasty rant was posted for us to see. It was well written and without a single curse.

His response was off the charts withour provocation.

We do not act like this. YOU DO.
now go change your diapers. I smell santorum all the way in Illinois. P U

 
At 4:28 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

One last thing and I promise not to feed the trolls anymore.

Trolls: your argument earlier was that the letter was not authenticated so we should all ... how does that one twerp write it... "shaddup."

Now you claim the secretary (poor widdle wady) received untold calls over and over.

Well PROVE IT.

Don't believe it's true. Post some recordings for us all to hear. Just cuz FOX news says it, it HAS to be true. Wasn't it on the Drudge report, must be fact.

OH "shaddup" all ready.

go change your diapers

 
At 4:33 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger tonecluster said...

Hinderaker's reply at Powerline:

"A number of readers have written, asking whether an email purporting to have been sent by me, which was posted on a site called Minnesota Politics, is genuine. It is. Here is the story:

We have received relatively little hate mail in the two-and-a half years that we have been writing for this site. One reason is that we rarely choose to engage left-wing sites like Daily Kos and Atrios in their brand of argument. Around a week ago, however, both of those sites sicced their readers on us, with the result that hate mail started pouring in. When I wrote about the Guckert/Gannon controversy, the hate mail intensified; we were inundated with email messages from their readers, many of them inexpressibly vulgar and vile.

These are not nice people. In addition to emailing us at our feedback address with every manner of invective, they called my office. My secretary stopped answering my telephone because callers swore at her. The telephone campaign reached a new low this morning, when someone purporting to be a reporter at a gay newspaper in Los Angeles called my office and asked me to comment on a "rumor" to the effect that there are photos floating around of me in a "tryst" with Jeff Gannon. Suffice it to say that these people are beneath contempt.

So that's the context in which I was reading emails a couple of days ago. I read about ten in a row that were vulgar and abusive in varying degrees; most were unprintable. At that point I snapped and lost my temper. I sent irate and intemperate replies to the last couple of emails I read--unfortunately, not the most abusive ones, but the ones I read after losing my temper.

The next day, one of these emailers responded that he thought my reply was disproportionate to the offensiveness of his email; I agreed and apologized for having reacted inappropriately. I would have done the same with the "Minnesota Politics" guy if he had contacted me rather than posting my email--which obviously wasn't intended for publication--on his site.

Our usual practice is not to respond to hate mail. Occasionally we send courteous replies, on rare occasions we've responded angrily. But in all the years I've been writing emails, I'd never before sent a message that I realized afterward should have been deleted rather than sent. I acknowledge that I made a mistake; I intend not to make the same mistake twice."

 
At 4:37 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jensen,
You bag of douche.
Threw in the ol' Fox News slur, I see. Is that on page one "The complete Idiot's guide to Liberal Politics." 'Cause we know that such a book would have to be written on such a simple level for you to understand it.
Prove that the secretary received nasty phone calls? Guess what, I don't have any tapes, I took Hindraker's word for it (Not Fox News or Drudge Report). You know him, he's the guy who admitted that he wrote the profane e-mail that is the subject of this thread. By the way, you ever go to Democratic Underground and read about people discussing how they want to rape Michelle Malkin? Oh, I get it, because she's conservative, she's somehow deserving of such treatment. Maybe it's Karl Rove's handiwork, to try to show how disgusting lefties are, but we know the truth on that one, don't we.
Sod off, swampy.

 
At 4:39 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Hindrocket Is Right said...

Hindrocket is right. You lefties are stupid assholes.

 
At 4:42 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey guys! FOUR MORE YEARS OF PRES BUSH! CONDI FOR 2008!! lol!!!

 
At 4:43 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

Proof? You want proof? How's this?

And I quote:

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Seph, you poor stupid asshole. Your email made no sense; you couldn't
argue your way out of a paper bag. Get lost, you dumb shit! We have
no time for people who can't frame a coherent argument. You are
stupid: that's fine, you're a Democrat. That's why you and your party
are losers. Please don't clog up our email box with your idiotic
comments. You are a fool. Get used to it, and leave us normal people
alone.

John H.
...end quote.

That's the full headers and full text of his original reply to my "critique", with two edits:

1. You can't have my email address.

2. I had to change everything that was in <>'s to []'s, since Blogger was giving me crap about posting in html. So, sorry, but you won't be disproving this based on formatting... har har. (Get it? Powerline? Rathergate? Kerning?)

If that's not enough for you, I can post my original email to him, my reply to this where I took him to task, his subsequent apology and attempt to claim that I was the only one he addressed in this manner, or the email *after that* in which I directed his attention to this link and said "perhaps you got angry at several of the wrong people."

If that still isn't enough, I could show you the time he wrote back *after that* and still claimed that MNPGuru was beligerent, and said "I assume they've publicized my email to them, but not the email from them to which I was replying to," despite the fact that the "email to which he was replying" is included in the post in question.

Would that be enough Proof for you?

 
At 4:44 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

PS. My last post seems to have broken the width of the blog. My bad.

 
At 5:30 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOOD WORK EVERYONE.

This Hindrocket - Hindbucket - Hindsuckit, whatever, (he sounds like he may know his way around Gannon's politics) has finally and graciously admitted he wrote this silly email.

Me thinks he doesn't want the real world, (mainly his law firm and the MN Bar) to see what also makes him explode (besides of course, Mr. Gannon, LOL).

 
At 5:49 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOOD WORK EVERYONE.

This Hindrocket - Hindbucket - Hindsuckit, whatever, (he sounds like he may know his way around Gannon's politics) has finally and graciously admitted he wrote this silly email.

Me thinks he doesn't want the real world, (mainly his law firm and the MN Bar) to see what also makes him explode (besides of course, Mr. Gannon, LOL).
No, Rocket is merely saying his email was inappropriate. He didn't say the emailers weren't assholes.

 
At 5:56 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Mother said...

Right on, anonymous. That's because Hindrocket believes, if you go by what he posts in his blogs, that all liberals are depraved idiots. Just by virtue of having different opinions from his. Some might call him a loudmouth looking for publicity and I suspect be not far from the mark. He decries name-calling, but if you read his blogs over a period of time, you cannot help but see that it's one of his major tools.

This is a guy best ignored... the proverbial tempest in a teapot. Nuthin to say... but he says it loudly anyway.

 
At 6:02 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jensen said... “…Hindkisser DID NOT apologize for writing that nasty letter to the writer of this blog. He ADMITTED he wrote it and might have apologized if he was asked to apologize - if he was told his nasty mouthed letter was uncalled for. Instead, his shame was posted for ALL to see. So, he did not apologize to anyone at this blog. GET IT! He is not the bigger man. He is not better mannered.”

It’s a hoot when someone has to post the definition of apology and the moonbats STILL don’t understand. Earth to wherever: An apology doesn’t have to have the word apologize in it. Hindrocket was writing to the Powerline audience, who, generally, have the reading skills to discern the intent of a post without having to spell it out slowly, using real small words and simple grammer. Believe what you will, but the redemption of Hindrocket is complete to all but the most jaded.

BTW, This Gannon thing is such a tempest in a teapot, bush-league stuff compared to the take-down of Rather and other leftie stooges. (Pun not initially intended but I’ll leave it there for yucks.)

 
At 6:07 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah. Not very nice. But I've written worse hate mail. I bet your email's not the worst you've ever written either.

It's a shame the level of piss that gets shot back and forth between sides.

But, looks like Kos got his wish. Send a throng of shitheads out to annoy and degrade, then reap the "gotcha" responses. Pathetic.

 
At 6:19 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Glenn said...

--"BTW, This Gannon thing is such a tempest in a teapot, bush-league stuff compared to the take-down of Rather and other leftie stooges." --

Yeah a scandal involving the President of the United States and his administration manipulating press coverage by planting a phony reporter who happens to get scoops on the Valerie Plame and CBS memogate scandals, and who goes by a fake name which he is called by the Press Secretary during briefings is not as important as some news executive (Jordan) who made off the record comments that nobody heard. Said comments were nothing more than outlandish charges that everyone dismissed when said executive backtracked on them. So you're telling me somehow that scandal B there is such a bigger deal than scandal A?

I suppose to people like you the rantings of a no-name college professor also make for a bigger scandal than anything our dear President might do.

 
At 6:29 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

Damn, I'm always late to the party. Stopped three or four comments shy of Hindrocket's acknowledgement before I went to all that trouble of posting headers, etc.. d'oh.

It's good to see Mr. Hinderaker admit a mistake, but it seems like he's hedging his statements and playing some damage control, trying to make his behavior appear more isolated and less over-the-top than it really is.

Recap: I wrote him. He wrote me back, and cussed me out. I responded, taking him to task, and suggesting he was being a bit immature and using profanity as a way to avoid addressing the questions I had asked him.

He writes back:

The tone of my response would have been appropriate in
replying to a number of emails that I read prior to yours, but it was
not an appropriate reaction to your email, which was reasonably civil
and substantive.
Yours just happened to be the one that pushed me over the top. So: I apologize for losing my temper at the wrong guy.
So, either he writes this some time after cussing out the Guru, or he cusses out the Guru and then subsequently writes this.

I then pointed out the Guru's post to Hindrocket, saying "maybe you lost your temper at several of the wrong guys," and including a link.
He replied that no, no, the Guru was one of the ones that deserved it, the Guru was "among the right ones."

That doesn't match what he wrote at Powerline, and his private description of my email as "reasonably civil and substantive" doesn't jive with his public description of it as "not the most abusive." In my reading, that still implies that the email was still substantially abusive, just not the worst example of such. This is nowhere near the case.

Maybe this is nitpicking; I considered the possibility, but it seems like grounds for valid criticism to me. If he's willing to distort what happened to evoke a bit more sympathy, hopefully he's willing to have his apology scrutinized as well.

 
At 6:36 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

say what?

 
At 6:40 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Jason said...

Yep. Like a good moonbat, don't let any good apology go unpunished. Geez, it's like you don't want to accept his apology. You'd probably have been happier had he never apologized. So much for "Minnesota Nice," I guess. I'm ashamed that you live in my state.

 
At 6:56 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

Jinx,

If you're referring to my comments,

A) The whole point of my latest comment is that this isn't a "good apology." If you distort the facts in the course of apologizing, it's like saying "Sorry I cussed you out, but you're a big dickhead and you deserve it!" Yeah, technically, that's an apology, right? Same thing with Hinderaker, in the course of apologizing he still felt it necessary to blame it on the mean people who emailed him - and to misrepresent the way in which we've supposedly done so - instead of just admitting a mistake and moving on. Do you have trouble catching the distinction?

B) I don't live in Minnesota. The Guru does, and other than his original post he hasn't taken any part in this thread.

If you aren't referring to my comments... what the hell are you talking about?

 
At 7:30 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Steve said...

So if I write an email for which an apology is appropriate, I am excused from making the apology because someone published it?

My bad behavior isn't excused by the subsequent behavior of others. It's a belief in personal responsibility, frequently asserted by those who believe it is best followed by others.

 
At 7:37 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous SnowKat said...

Wow, you liberals 'out' a phoney reporter and you think you did brain surgery. HindRocket took out some hostility on your dumb ass and now you want his job.
Get a life, I thought he was being nice.

 
At 7:43 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems from these comments that no leftie will be happy until they have intimidated every business in the country to fire outspoken conservatives. Talk about politics of personal destruction.

The Hindraker response was not appropriate for the email he received, but for the overwhelming majority of internet lefties that populate leftie comment boards, I'd say it's perfectly appropriate.

Most of you are shitheads.

 
At 7:55 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the real reason Hindraker was so put out by questions about Gannon, is that in private life, they were lovers. Hindrocket was actually Gannon's pet name for him.

 
At 8:21 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha ha ha! I love reading the snarling and whining from the Freeptards here--especially the ones who feel that the other side is "intimidating" and "attacking" the poor innocent angelic Right Wingers.

Get over it. Go burn a cross in someone's yard, whiny Freeptards. On second thought, keep the comments coming. They amuse me!

 
At 8:32 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger TWM said...

If you got a third of the hate mail that the right gets from the moonbat brigade you would respond much like he did.

He apologized which is much more than any leftist would have done.

 
At 8:41 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree, the freeptards are funny.
Their general argument now seems to be that lefties are foul -mouthed and prone to death threats.

Well, the right wing Timothy Mcveigh represents how not only the right makes those type of threats, but takes actions and kills hundreds as well.

Or the right wing nutjob who murdered a doctor for performing legal abortions.

Or the right wing nut job who sent anthrax everywhere in 2001.

Or the right wing nut job who bombed the atlanta olympics.

And as they accuse us of spewing invective of the foullest sort, they swear continously and call us names.

If they cannot see their behaviour is hypocritical, they can never see the truth at all. No wonder their politics suck.

Such a foul mouthed bunch of mother fucking, whore loving, ass kissing, diaper dumping, knuckle dragging, fascist loving, piss swallowing shitheads the world has ever known. The Republican Party. What a stink bomb.

 
At 8:48 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

To the genius who says "you liberals out a phoney reporter...."

Um, you are forgetting the right wing argument (vocalized by mr. Hindraper)is that the man is a true journalist taken down by unscrupulous left wing bloggers.

SO NOW you agree he was a fake journalist?

Then how did he get that press pass?

Bush League asleep at the wheel of security (so much for that homeland nonsense)?

Or does the WH like giving passes to whores so they can ask the simple president simple questions that won't make his simple brain go "OW."?

The right wing arguments here move around as much as the right wing argument for the Iraq war; WMD's! no? uh, Al qaeda connection! no? Liberation of a people! Yeah, that was it, that was our reason.

Woops, a proIranian goverment was just elected.

that went well.

As well as the trolls try to argue a whore is good for the white house.

 
At 8:59 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Jensen said...

BTW, the right wing is INFAMOUS for spewing out hate mail. We are only trying to catch up.
A few months ago a writer for the Toronto Globe and Mail wrote a piece concerning whether Canada should allow FOX news to be beam up north.

And though she agreed it should (but for reasons that made Mr. Oreilly upset) she was flooded with the worst type of foul lettered hate mail Canada had ever seen.

The same went to the British who wrote Ohioans concerning the election. The British wrote sweet worded letters to supposed undecided voters and asked them to think twice about voting BUSH league as he was tearing apart the north atlantic alliance.

The vile letters returned to them were not only the nastiest things I ever read (I was in London at the time), but horribly written and completely misspelled.

That is the right wing. If we are catching up to you, you have set the precedent.

The right wing notes here only prove this case.

Now let's see how many foul things will be written in response to thisobservation.

Come on, you know you have to. It's the only way you know how. It's eating you up inside right now. The right wing temper is boiling. Your hairy knuckled fingers are itching. Your low-browed eyes are crossing. The troll in you must be .... released.

 
At 9:03 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous Aww he said I was the only one said...

The Hindraker response was not appropriate for the email he received, but for the overwhelming majority of internet lefties that populate leftie comment boards, I'd say it's perfectly appropriate. Most of you are shitheads.So you're saying that Hindraker's response would've been appropriate if we were disrespectful to him.

We weren't. What's your point?

 
At 9:21 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous buddhistMonkey said...

Boy, these Repugnant troglodytes sure like the word "moonbat," don't they? Pro'bly 'cause it's easy to spell. Guru: nice work exposing the bitter, hateful Republican(s).

 
At 9:54 PM, February 21, 2005, Blogger Tooele Fan said...

Hindrocket posted a message on Powerline stating that his e-mail response was inappropriate, and it was. The original e-mail sent to him was civil, and raised legitimate issues. But many of the responses that have been posted show that civility isn't a matter of "lefty" or "righty". Many of these postings are mean spirited and malicious. They have nothing to do with creating or furthering a civil discourse, they simply reflect a lot of people that need to find some compassion, and a constructive way to express themselves. The Powerline trio are not "eletist scum" (spelling mistake in orignal), they are hardworking individuals that normally express themselves well and politely, as are most of the people on this blog. It would have been better to have responded to Hindrocket privately, asking for an apology and a serious response to the issues raised. Both Hindrocket and MN Politics Guru failed on this one. So have many of those who posted.

 
At 10:00 PM, February 21, 2005, Anonymous steve said...

to everyone on the thread who isn't a lover of all things ultrarightwing, just remember that we are not obligated to tolerate intolerance. so when these folks come across with their authoritarian manner of speaking and either state or imply that any one who disagrees with them is either going to hell, unamerican or unpatriotic, stupid or crazy, or some other inappropriate comment, they have forfeited any claim they might have thought they had to be tolerated. sadly, many of these folks are ultrarightwing radio, tv and print commentators as well as some of the less savvy ultrarightwing politicians. make no mistake, this is a culture war and the ultrarighties are playing for keeps. it hasn't been politics as usual since the ussc installed bushco in the white house in 2000. start to organize for 2006 and 2008.

 

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