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Thursday, January 05, 2006

Mayors and Police Chiefs Against Idiocy

The mayors and police chiefs of Minneapolis and Saint Paul are against Governor Pawlenty's short-sighted immigration proposals. Good for them.

Saint Paul Chief John Harrington explains why, and it's the same reasons everybody else has been given: police officers don't have the training to try to ascertain immigration status, and doing so would reduce the public's trust in the police.


At 1:24 PM, January 06, 2006, Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis said...

What training? All you have to do is ask to see a driver's license and look at the status check. Oh, are we worried that we might have to profile? Please, this is getting sickening. Enforce the damn law, IT'S YOUR JOB.

At 5:42 PM, January 06, 2006, Blogger MN Politics Guru said...

You really don't get it, do you? So you think that a notation that says "non-citizen" on a DL is enough to determine whether a person can be here legally or not? Wow.

You obviously have never spoken with somebody who has gone through this process. I have, many, many times. You are simply wrong on this one. If you are at all interested in learning about what immigration truly entails, why don't you seek out some information from immigrants?

At 3:45 PM, January 07, 2006, Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis said...

Yes, you're right, I must be an idiot and the proof of that is that you have talked to immigrants. I bow at your feet.

I'm not an immigrant, so I don't have the status check on my licesne, but is that what it says "non-citizen"?

At 3:47 PM, January 07, 2006, Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis said...

In fact, the laws proposed for the status check have the words "status check" with the date of visa expiration beneath it. Nothing about "a notation that says "non-citizen"

Did you just make that up? Or is that something you learned by talking to immigrants, which of course makes you higher than everyone else. I learned it through a simple Google search.

At 5:35 PM, January 07, 2006, Blogger MN Politics Guru said...

Well, guess what? Even if your visa has expired, you may still be allowed to stay in this country. Why? Maybe because you got a visa extension and didn't update your driver's license. Maybe because you got your status changed to permanent resident (green card), and you didn't update your license. Or maybe you have applied for a status change and your visa has expired; in that case, you may still be able to remain in the country.

I know that the DLs don't literally say "non-citizen." However, the words "status check" and a date have absolutely no connection to whether a person can be in this country.

I'm not saying that I'm higher than everybody else, but unlike you, I know how the immigration process works. I know what applications for a change of status are. I know the hoops that you must jump through when dealing with the ICE or CIE or whatever it is called these days. The fact that the immigration is broken means that a date and "status check" are pretty worthless.

If a police officer were to detain a person based on the "status check" and the date, when in fact that person was legally in this country, look for a huge lawsuit that would be a very easy win for the plaintiff. I don't feel like wasting tax money on lawsuit payouts; do you?

At 11:37 AM, January 09, 2006, Blogger Kevin from Minneapolis said...

So if a change in status came along with/required an updated license, it would be okay?


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